elitist place that says the problem is the -- they are having too much effect on the political process and the party bosses aren't controlling things enough. that strikes me as the anti-democratic. >> i wouldn't say rabble. the more -- the extremists, and you can't -- we have to win and come to the center. president obama knows that. the republican party leaders know that. the activists don't. they are looking at the word more, not looking at the picture winning the white house. so -- what you could have in tamp is just a -- you know, bunch of folks walking off of a peer into the gu pier in new mexico. >> when i was a lad, i seem to remember in the '70s, 1975, people sitting around in leisure suits and people consider themselves goods liberals saying that there was a serious drift among the considerable segment of the democrats. too far to the left and there was a problem and that something needed to be done about these extremes taking over those democrats who weren't part of