quote-unquote, a secure industry. it is about planning for the long-term future. i love your term experimentation. it's about committing to a lifetime of learning and developing. >> problem solving. >> and problem solving. the hot careers, we don't know what they are yet. no one would have guessed that. social media manager or mobile developer. it's a new thing. people who get those jobs are people who have been paying attention to how things changed in their industries. >> i see you nodding the whole time. you're sort of in a unique spot here because you really are trying to build and do build bridges between the students here at this university and the employers in this community that wanted to help them get jobs. the traditional framework is exactly what we just heard from charles. find a secure industry. become a doctor. you become a lawyer. you become an engineer. whatever it is. and what we're seeing is that the real skill it seems is your ability to identify the needs of a given business or given community and then find a way to help solve those needs in a way