and letting folks of all different kind of back grounds in positions of prominent and authorize and success, that you get this kind of churn, the ugly under side of fear and anxiety from a lot of folks, what does this mean for me. it doesn't surprise me -- >> how do you combat it? >> i think a couple things, ed. in the first place, let's celebrate what is going on here, to me, amplifying and amplifying again millions of people, we're not just talking about asian americans, certainly i and my fellow asian americans are over the moon about how this is unfolding but celebrating the fact people of every background in this country are seeing themselves in an asian american. seeing themselves in, identifying with that person. that is a new thing in our pop culture. is that going to solve racism,