that known or worked with romney say the same thing, he carries himself as a man apart who seems to be not looking into your eyes but past them even some of his closest friends to not always recognize the man they see from afar. people don't seem to see who he is? >> we have seen it on the campaign trail, he can be wooden and detached. and what is fascinating to us is there's a gap of how people perceive him that are close to him and by the public. i think his central challenge is to show that warm human funny guy that he shows to his wife and kids to everyone else. so far, you've seen a bit of it. >> what i've seen of mitt romney trying to be funny has been unfunny. you are talking about him as a