i mean, he wants to go to the top of the totem pole and put an extra notch in his belt. >> getting you is a feather in the cap? >> right. i'm the only one they could come after because i sold a couple of horses to women. >> you are not saying you didn't swindle women. >> no. i swindled women, yes. >> the ladies were not buying horses. the ladies were buying richard. there are women who wanted his attention. they would buy whatever he was selling. it is not unusual. he's not a killer. he is a purveyor. >> did you get basically a life sentence for selling people bum horses? >> that's what it boils down to. yes. >> but you didn't kill anybody? >> definitely not. >> what about the candy lady? bailey says helen brach was more than just another easy mark.