>> and if rick perry wasn't just a balloon, if they had blown him up to the size -- he looked great. rick perry is a governor, he looks great, like a texan, great hair, all you need in politics. he had a record of unemployment going down in texas, creating jobs. he talked right. the minute he got on stage, he stumbled. and he's protestant i should say. >> it's more complex than that. let's think about mike huckabee. we had mike huckabee. if there ever were a ready-made evangelical candidate -- >> but he had no money. >> right. he had an electability problem. >> and he did an awesome job with the two cents he had. >> can i ask you a really good question? i'm very much for religious tolerance and i don't like this conversation. i had to do it. it's my job. did jack kennedy being catholic have anything to do with what he did? did richard nixon being a quaker have anything to do with being president? does religion guide, your particular affiliation, you