so in that respect, when it comes to debt, there really isn't a dime's worth of difference. >> and the problem is, there's not a viable candidate in the field who meets your criteria. >> or i would say a lot of americans criteria. democrats are concerned about the national debt. independents are concerned about the national debt. i'm telling you, in barack ob a obama -- if barack obama in his state of the union address had said, i'm going to tell you, republicans, i'm going to call your bluff. i've got bowles/simpson here. i'm going to ask harry reid to vote on it in the senate and john boehner to vote on it in the house and if you pass it in total, i will sign it. at that point, the race for president in 2012 is over and barack obama's reelected. there are so many americans who understand -- >> they're tuned into this. >> this is such a great danger. still ahead, jim demint will be here.