can meet you eight times and come close to making a decision. they make fun of themselves that way. it's retail. retail. but there are two events in this campaign unlike anything i've ever seen. there have been 18 nationally-televised debates and the superpacs are running the show. it is disgraceful. to watch mitt romney, jon huntsman and the other superpacs talk about, oh, they don't have anything to do with their superpac. it's a lie. this election is corrupted. by superpacs and big money. >> well the rules are flawed, what are they supposed to do? are they supposed to sit back or are they supposed to engage? >> well i'm old-fashioned, when there's a problem and you're in charge, you ought to leave if you're running for president, you ought to lead. you ought to stand for something. and i challenge mitt romney and all of these other folks, to stand up for america.