lan, a columnist for the daley. thomas frank, the author of what's the matter with kansas and author of a new book. deepak progava, directory of community charnge. and returning to the program, krista free land, editor of thomson reuters digital. this issue is crucial to understand how washington works. there is an interesting conservative argument to be made, which is about regulatory capture, yes, exactly, this is what happens when you issue regulations. the people that can work that that a symmetry of pure. >> that's not a conservative argument but an argument the conservatives swiped from the