barack obama and barack obama can't make him issue the way he might other candidates. and you have to keep the focus on -- >> the fact that -- isn't the fact -- senator, you've made my point. the very fact that you can't call him a conservative is because he isn't one. joe mcquaid, is that it? >> i didn't say that. >> i'm a conservative. i think he's a conservative. >> name one conservative thing that mitt romney has ever done in his political career. >> created jobs. i mean -- >> no, conservative things. >> done the private sector job creation. >> that's a pretty good question. where is his credentials from in terms of policy, health care, tax policy, abortion policy? >> in my view, it's from running a state extremely liberal and ran it in a way that's solvent. >> he projected nothing with any conservative credentials in massachusetts. on the other hand, gingrich who paid five grand for that ad that wasn't another endorsement. >> gone on vacation again today, john. >> five grand. >> let's talk about the people because pat buchanan ran up