seeing is a couple things. it's a little less as the total turnout is. what you're seeing with ron paul is a lot of new voters, about 25% new caucus goers coming for the first time. as i've seen the early numbers and was looking at the maps of east versus west versus middle the evangelicals are pretty much across the board kind of where they were at huckabee in 2008 but when you talk about a two man race in 2008 between mike huckabee and mitt romney, those are the two choices. now they've got santorum, gingrich, perry, bachmann. some of them as you've seen from your polling to dr. paul and some to mitt romney. you're seeing mitt romney under perform a little bit where he was in the west but over performing in the middle and so i think at the end of the day it's a little bit like 2008 but mostly a lot different. >> in terms of how huckabee put together his iowa win in 2008 and the sort of long bumpy road that lies ahead of all of these candidates who aren't named mitt romney tonight, do you think there is a lesson from your