movement decides to coalesce behind either mitt romney -- i mean, either newt gingrich or rick perry in south carolina. if that happens, we will have a two-person race coming out of south carolina going to florida and beyond. >> matt lewis, the debate thing john brings up is a very good point. heretofor the reason newt gingrich has surged is because of his incredibly strong debate performances. there haven't been debates in recent weeks, a barrage of negative advertising but two debates scheduled for saturday and sunday. does that help newt gingrich. >> absolutely. he's a great debater. you're absolutely right. that is what propelled him. the clip we played earlier is very telling. you will hear newt gingrich call romney a massachusetts moderate. he knows granite staters hate massachusetts. >> do you think that's -- >> i guarantee you. nothing happens by accident. >> listen, that is -- >> that's intentional. >> there's a pulse running here. you have our good, close friend