party was -- hillary clinton, barack obama, john edwards and so forth going back and forth for the drok nomination and and barack obama became the nominee. this is what no, ma'am nags are all about. it's a battle for the heart and soul of the party moving forward. this is no different from what the democrats were experiencing four years ago. >> anne, we talk about this analysis, there's an interesting nugget from the iowa poll saying that 27% of tuesday's caucus-goers, it would be their first time. what does that tell you? >> that's a huge number and i will find out on tuesday night whether or not that's accurate. if that's the case -- more unpredictable than it looks for now. people who are new, there's all the procedural issues of actually getting to the caucus, getting there on time, being a part of the debate process. everything that goes in that, not to mention the weather. you know, newcomers may not be as firmly fixed this their opinions as they say. there's some evidence there are people who support ron paul.