i think there's a lot of questions here. one is do we do we not need stricter gun control laws in this country? do we need to revisit how we issue permits amidst a big push to get -- to allow folks to carry concealed weapons across state lines? >> i'd say from these headlines it's pretty clear that we do. although the nra would argue would stricter gun laws have prevented these individual incidents? maybe, maybe not. but the question is in political terms the gun issue is so polarized, every time you bring up even the idea of stricter gun control laws there's a certain segment of the electorate that goes absolutely nuts and says you're trying to take my gun away, they'll light up the e-mail, the twitter, everything. the debate about it seems to be so polarized when governor rendell, i won't steal his point, but -- >> no, say it. >> -- he made the very important point that in pennsylvania a lot of people support guns but they also support gun control laws. they're not mutually exclusive. you can support the right to have a gun and vo it in your house in a locked box with all the guidelines that go with that and support reasonable gun control that when done right will hopefully prevent some of