one of the hardest thing in politics is the second act. people made a judgment about perry and tossed him off the top of the heap and it's harder to come back than it is to rise. they're the most interesting story lines right now. >> that's perry and paul? paul being -- >> perry and santorum. >> santorum, as well. >> but -- yes. >> i got ya. you're picking ron paul to win the iowa caucuses, he's doing strong now. and for perry and santorum to make the noise on the outside. todd, you're the republican, you're the insider, you know these guys, i think you also have candidate you'd like to see be the nominee because you want to win in november. but that aside, that aside, let's look at this coldly. is steve right that paul will probably be the winner january 3rd that night? >> you know, i think steve could be right. i'm not going to say like i normally do that he's flat-out wrong. i think that romney is probably going to eke out a win. but i do think that paul -- i do think that paul is going to do