there's chosen to govern. and picked public employees against the private sector on purpose. that's a very irresponsible thing to do. since then, it hasn't gotten any better. yeah, he's running scared. i don't think he quite understands the insincerity of the signatures staring him in the face today. >> now, john, do you think he will ultimately be recalled? we're getting the suggests. do you think he will be recalled and are you thinking about running against it? >> i have no doubt in my mind, al, that he will be recalled. i wouldn't be surprised if they approached 700 to 800,000 ballot signatures to recall the governor. now, the question as to whether or not i will or won't, my biggest concern is the best person to defeat scott walker when that happens, when that