nationally, as is the case in the president' health care legislation. something that gingrich supported, as well, in the early '90s. it was michele bachmann who tk them on as whether they're real conservatives, coining a phrase, newt/romney. listen. >> you want a difference, michele bachmann is the proven conservative. it's not newt romney. >> i know newt gingrich, and newt gingrich is a friend of mine. but he and i areot clones. i promise. >> do you buy that? who is the real conservative out of those two. you have to go through one or both of them to win in iowa. >> well, i think they come from the me mold. they're about the same. they're both on the defensive. they're both explaining themselves. and i even said that last night. why should we have a nominee that's going to spend most of their time explaining themselves and deciding what position they wereon and when. i think that's too much on the defensive. and i think, if you're