>> chuck todd, where are we? >> these are a couple venerable debaters. i think we've seen it. these are the final two. one-on-one debates, or even three with ron paul, shows that he can give as well as he can take, it's going to be an interesting, long primary campaign if it, indeed, goes long. but i'll tell you, obviously, what we're seeing in the polls, it's instructive that newt gingrich broughtp 1994. that is his key strengthnd it is romney's key issue. what was newt gingrich doing in october of 1994. he was leading a coervative evolution. that's the one big memory. i had a rmney person tell me that every negative they try to throw at newt they realize you can't just use one because he has that pristine memory in the minds of conservatiti voters. well, he did it. what was mitt romney doing in october of 1994? basically saying, i'm not really a repcan, massachusetts voters, don't you worry. i'm not that conservative. not even sure if i voted for reagan or for bush or who i was for back in the '80s. so it's interesting that newt brings up that moment because i think it's a clear ideological