of the banging himself, but he's going to have a pretty powerful ally in rick perry. they've got the same motive right now, and that's to bring newt gingrich down. >> let me ask michael -- how do you see perry? do you see him alive enough to be even an attack dog? even if he can't win it, can he make noise and bring down newt? >> not effectively. i was going to see in response to the governor's point, the only way that strategy works is if perry doesn't engage directly himself. i think the fact of the matter is there's been so much that's already been placed in the minds of voters with respect to perry, not just on the issues, but how he has come across, you know, in terms of being presidential, that that may not necessarily be a helpful spot for mitt. but you may be right. if he can just run the ads and not do the personal appearances or any more debates, that may have a way to zing him. but i think in the end, those commercials with pelosi and gingrich were national commercials.