for me to come out with this and, you know, fess up to something that i had done. i'm pretty straightforward. you know, i a conscience. i'm surprised that he hasn't -- that he's treating me as if i'm lying about this. that does bother me. it bothers me, yes. >> ginger white, thank you very, very much for joining us tonight and your _8uorney, ed buckley, thank you also for helping us with this interview tonight. thank you both. i really appreciate it. >> thank you. thank you very much. >> you can find the entirety of this interview on our web site, thelastword.msnbc.com. for the first time ever... a toothpaste. crest 3d white. if beauty editors notice, who else will? crest 3d white toothpaste. life opens up when you do.