governments come forward in a political system right now that's run by the fringes of either party. >> it seems to me that right now we have a pretty active debate in washington about taxation, the so being in the middle, does it give you success of bringing together -- >> let's get back to something that affects my feelings. my problem with third party candidates, if i saw the right one, i would get excited about the person, but they give people an opportunity to avoid a choice. they voted for john anderson which was avoiding a choice. they often didn't like carter and reagan and they took a bye. they took the day off politically and voted for someone who was not going to win. with ross perot, they were