there were little fees. but i mean, the costs hike that you documented earlier in this show, more people need to know that. we used to want to educate our children for either free or very cheap, and apparently we can't afford that anymore. that's all they're asking for is decen decency. >> if you don't have educated workers, then it's easier to concentrate the wealth. joan walsh always a pleasure. thank you so much. >> thanks, ed. coming up, this is what democracy looks like. thousands turned out for a recall walker rally to get signatures in madison. i was there. i got to tell you, these folks are organized. they're excited. but this is not going to be an easy lift. that story is next. ♪