the thing with denise was, on tuesday, on tuesday, which is the day after the eviction, which happened, like, early tuesday morning. >> the zuccotti park eviction, right? yes. >> i tried to meet denise to give her her money, half in advance and half after. this was coming up on thursday. this finance working group from occupy wall street was in disarray. no one was around. i couldn't get her the money. i was playing phone tag with her and talked to her at 9:00. the first thing she said to me was, you know, i can't take money for this. this is -- >> oh, wow. >> this is for the people. i can't take any money. >> mark, while i have been talking to you we've been trying to reach denise on the phone. i'm told we have denise on the phone. denise, are you there on the phone? >> yes, hi. >> hi. how are you? >> okay. and you? >> i'm great. i'm here with mark who you did the projection project with last night. and i'm just wondering if you could tell us why you decided to do this with him. why you decided to let him use the apartment and participate in