it suggests that this is not just a movement of some -- you know, some folks being told to go in but everybody's going in together. and i think the symbolism was very, very important. >> well, how often is this going to happen in your opinion? and do you think it will motivate other labor folks now that they've seen a president get arrested to do the same thing? >> well, back in the anti-apartheid movement in the 1980s you started seeing some people step up, and it became a thing of honor to be arrested in an act of civil disobedience. i think we might well see some more of that. and i also think that it's not just about arrests. it is that when you see labor leaders in the front lines, when you see members of the city council, religious leaders in the front lines, that tells people this is a protest that everyone can come out and be a part of. it invites whole families into it. and i think it can't do anything but build this movement. >> john nichols, thanks for joining us again on the program. now let's turn the executive vice president of the service employees international union