disorganized republican primary i've ever seen. i've never seen a primary like this. >> talk about the race because we're talking about where we are right now. this is -- we're in november at this stage in '04. >> i agree with mark. >> i would guess you were in first place. >> i was starting to fade right about now. >> actually kerry was being discounted at this point as being basically like romney, a loser that could never win the nomination and, yet, he won at the end. when do you find voters in iowa and new hampshire really start focusing in? >> about three weeks before hand. >> three weeks before hand. >> what happened was john -- actually john had to raise a bunch of money. he gave himself a big loan. hired the guy who at the time i think was the best vote counter in the country, michael hooly, went to iowa and just kicked our butt. and he did that over a three or four-week period. >> so that all started in december is when -- >> yeah. >> when kerry started to make