the hands of institutions, and back into law enforcement. >> steven, i want to get back to kathleen about this catholic church thing, that just resonates through this case, in the sense of treating penn state football, like it's your religion, which is not a reach, by the way, if we understand penn state, what it means of their football. your thoughts e. steven, what this teaches us about adult behavior and why people think protecting each other is somehow good for society, you know? >> i mean, this goes to the code in the police department that says, we'll look the other way, we're going to protect this institution. but joe paterno? i mean, he's the guy who comes through the house of the football player and says to the mom, hey, your son is going to be safe with me here on campus. i'm going to make sure he graduates, he studies, and he's protected! so what about the other kids? the at-risk kids, for the