wins election. >> uh-huh. >> but it doesn't feel as if the american public is buying optimism right now. >> well, the american public doesn't have a lot to feel optimistic about, let's be honest. i think the dynamics will change when we have a republican nominee against president obama making his case. >> you think it will get somehow more optimistic? don't you think it becomes more pessimistic as it becomes this knock down drag out fight. >> we know who our guy is going to be on the democratic side. people have other issues they are paying attention to. so when we have the head to head that's when people really start to say this is what this guy wants to do. how would i feel about that. that's part of where you start to generate the enthusiasm for the candidate. the obama campaign strategy is