excuse me. what part of "no" don't these people understand? >> joining me is dana milbank, national political reporter for "the washington post," and joe madison, talk show host on sirius/xm radio. dana, big developments today. now, let me ask you something, because i'm trying to follow this correctly. how do you accuse anderson in the perry campaign of leaking this? how did anderson of the perry campaign get this information in the first place? >> this is the normal course of things. he said first it didn't happen, then changed his story, then sailing various people were out to get him. i think this is another stage in that, in saying my opponents are the ones out to get me. i don't think it's fruitful to go down the avenue of exactly