>> he was actually -- >> there's no real campaign behind cain. it's all cain. my guess is, they were trying to make a bit of an outlaw video, because again, the whole thing is anti-establishment. he had a kid with a video camera, he had a campaign manager with a little time to kill, often trouble. didn't help. >> the issue, too, before we button this part of it, up on taxes, governor granholm, is that you have a very clear distinction here. and "the washington post" wrote about it on wednesday, divergent paths within the republican party on how they want to handle tax policy. the headline this week, gop tax plans on divergent paths. at the moment, wrote although the republican candidates differ on the spebs of their plans, the frame of the argument against the current white house occupant is the same. obama maintains the rich are not paying their share of taxes. the gop counter wealthy americans along with everyone else is paying too much. what's bloated, they insist, is the government. there's the debate. >> so this, to me, is driving me absolutely crazy.