you can imagine. and police turned out and said we ought to fix tickets, we have been doing this for years. if that was not a working class things -- >> give them a free pass. >> i am not giving them a free pass, i am saying it's not that kind of structure you are talking about. >> let me help folks. there's a bunch of indictments in new york, and this gets to glenn's point. 16 indictments in the court and the bronx for an investigation that found 1 to $2 million in ticket fixing which is cops making tickets go away for friends and brothers and girlfriends, and when the indictments happened hundreds of cops showed up and notified the police union to go and cheer the people being indicted, because they said this is one of the things we do as cops, this is part of what we do, and good luck trying to do that if you