contenders like this start off ragged and you can watch the candidates grow up a bit. if there's senators involved like last time with chris dodd and joe biden you had to watch them get used to a different kind of stage and then there's always some flaky candidate on the edge. >> sure. >> and you watch them either gel in to something that makes a little more sense or the flaky ones just fall apart. that's not happening here. >> no. it's really interesting actually. there is no real lower tier here where you can see people as the nominee. last time in both parties you had people across the board who you could see on the nominee. one on the lower side ended up the vice president. this is a very different field we are looking at. it is partly entertainment. this is the whatever candidacy. he gets people o angry people say herman cain is serious why would they say he is serious there is little evidence of a