searching you or me, and issue letters that proverdict you or me from letting anyone know that you are being investigated. sounds like a third world country, doesn't it? so a decade later, the national debate continues. is it time to do away with what was presented as a temporary suspension of american civil liberties in the context of the 9/11 attacks? it's been ten years. that's a question our next guest raises, extensively in fact, as president of the aclu and in her new book, "taking liberties, the war on terror and the erosion of american democracy." we welcome susan herman to the show. congratulations on the book. >> thank you, dylan. >> at the end of the day this was a country built at its founding to the rejection of an oppressive government, allegation of power through wealth in western europe. this country was built in