>> yeah. >> what does that mean? >> well, what's this pee-wee herman stuff. why does he behave like pee-wee herman? even pee-wee herman is an actor playing pee-wee herman. is this guy playing what he thinks is a presidential candidate? >> i think rick perry is stunned and baffled, because he was supposed to be -- just waltz into this race and walk away with the whole thing. and then everything fell apart. and he's saying, all right, what went wrong? and i think what he's come to the conclusion of is, maybe i wasn't crazy enough. you know, before i used to talk about -- before i used to talk about secession, so, okay, i'm maybe not secession, but we're back -- >> look, i'm serious about this. i take it seriously who runs this country. we've got serious problems. he's the best the right wing could offer. howard, he's the one they put up to knock off mitt romney, the moderate republican, the one they didn't trust. he's the best they had. they beat the drum for this guy for months. oh, wait until rick perry gets into this battle. >> here's what heartfelt conservatives need to worry about. and heartfelt conservative