and i'm not sure who would care much if i had. >> i think actually there'd be a lot that would. >> i want to know, actually. >> governor, looking at the current debt trajectory we have, i think we can agree this is not the doing of an administration but administrations. this has spanned over the process of decades. now that you're the chief executive of a state, looking back at your time in retrospect at omb, what do you wish you would have pushed for when you were sitting in the seat of the office of management and budget? >> i guess i wish i'd been more successful, more effective advocate. i advocated for major reductions, for instance, in other spending once the nation committed itself to the war on terror. this is what the nation had done in all previous conflicts. but we didn't as we all know. it's fair to point out that my failure in making that -- in presenting budgets that