so there's a lot of big government behind romney care. not as much as obama care, but a heck of a lot more than your campaign has admitted. >> governor romney, 30 seconds. >> actually, newt, we got the idea of an individual mandate from you. >> that's not true. >> there was something -- we got it from you. you got it from the heritage foundation and from you. >> that's not true. you did not get that from me, you got it from the heritage foundation. >> and you've never supported -- >> i agree with them. but it plain wasn't true. that's not where you got it from. >> have you supported in the past an individual mandate? >> i did against hilary care. >> that's what i'm saying. we got the idea from you and the heritage foundation. >> it's the thing. he can afford to get his hands dirty. >> i've got to admit.