all the other candidates have until december or january to rise from the second tier up to the top or the bottom of the first tier. >> let me go back to the herman cain and his immigration comments. obviously he appeals to the more conservative members of the party. does he have incentive to clarify this? we saw rick perwhen he was taken on about his history of immigration in the state and what he referred to as having a heart on the issue. what incentive does herman cain have to back down? >> the immigration issue -- the republican party cuts both ways. you want to be inclusive and diverse in your thinking in term terms of bringing people in, but the rank and file republicans do not want illegals coming into the country. you sa this when president bush