movon.org and groups like that that are paralyzing on that side and the pledge, how it's being interpreted. you were elected i think with tom coburn, one of the finest guys in the congress. he's an honest, ethical, decent guy. what he was trying to do by closing the tax loop hole with regard to the ethanol, that was viewed as a taxing increase. we have well -- >> that is ridiculous. >> we have well over $100 billion of tax. they're really tax earmarks and as you know i think you served on ways and means they're in perpetuity not just from one year or two years and to say that we can't close the loop hoel for ethanol or we can't make ge pay its taxes or we can't close the loop holes for all of these industries that are out there, the special interest lobbies in washington. >> right. >> to say that's a tax increase, so i believe you are going to have to reform the entitlements. you got to do that as difficult as it may be they all came before your committee. you have to do it and then you also have to close these tax loop holes and do pretty much --