you know shall the cain people talk about the hidden payroll taxes that companies pay, which would be another $2,500. i don't see how he gets to $10,000 one way or the other. >> the most you could come up to $3,515 at the high end assuming standard deductions for children and all that stuff. that is the most tax you can come up with on a family of four making $50,000. >> exactly. there is one thing, the child tax credit. you have two children. that's a huge cut off here. >> your income that you're taxable income goes almost all the way down i think to $24,000 for the family of four that makes $50,000. let's talk about then how much money is left over. here's what cain said how much money would be left over and how the 9% tax works. >> with 999 they're going to pay that 9% personal, tax on their income so that's only $4,500. they still have $5,500 left over