we are just acquaintances. >> so will jeffress be a liability for perry? or is he actually an asset? >> i think he's acting as a political asset. when he did that introduction for him at that event with the value voters, perry knew what he was going to say. and perry knows how reverend jeffress feels about these things. the pastor wasn't speaking extemporaneously. they knew he was going to be approached by reporters and going to be asked these questions. this isn't an accident. rick perry doesn't have to distance himself. perry doesn't have to say anything. he just lets pastor jeffress keep saying the same thing over and over again and it helps rick perry. >> candidate jon huntsman who's not doing well, he is also a mormon. he called jeffress a moron today. but other candidates like michele bachmann and herman cain, they pretty much are dodging the question. what do you make of that? >> i think that the problem is