they got nuclear weapons, the reality is they also hear the u.s. is leaving by the end of 0 10 -- 2014. they never did control the tribal areas, i think there's been undo focus on the problem in pakistan. the question is internally in afghanistan, we have an afghan army that's appearing, can we create a government and a police force internally that will maintain security? the jury's out, thomas, on that whole issue. >> atia in kabul, and general mccaffrey, thanks to both of you. it's a big question, we're going to talk to msnbc's chris hayes weighing in on that and whether the president can turn the wage against wall street to his political advantage next. cad gives you a 50% annual bonus!