to this conversation about how terrible it is, oh, how could we go and do this? this guy is a terrorist. we are in a war. we are in a situation where there are individuals that are at -- and that's, by the way, not a dispute. there are individuals, whether it was this one or somebody else who are actively working on a regular basis to try to perpetrate harm to the interest of america. and so while krystal and toure and all of us, it's all lovely that you are worried about the democracy, i've got to prevent people from getting killed. and the best way to do that is with drones on my discretion. that's a hard thing to get past. >> yeah, so let me put my tea party hat on and then argue against the tea party at the same time. >> yeah. this is easy. >> number one, what's the potential blowback? so we use these drones all the time in afghanistan. they kill innocent men and women. that leads to more attacks on u.s. troops -- >> they call that collateral damage. >> but that puts our troops at more risk. what if it gets flipped and