no matter what you want to think about them, they're not dummies. they know when someone flip-flops to court their vote. it doesn't accomplish the thing you're trying to accomplish it. people see through it. now to see romney running more or less, what he kind of wanted -- he should have run as in 2008, it increased the problem of the phoniness thing for grassroots conservatives. they look at him and say, we don't believe a word that comes out of his mouth. >> i don't know about the not dummies thing. they voted more michele bachmann and herman cain. >> that's your opinion. you're always consistent on that point. >> john heilman of "new york" magazine. thanks for joining me tonight. coming up, the president's question time with lady gaga. that isn't the only run maxine waters thought the president got carried away. there was a terrible weapon in use during the wall street protests this weekend, one that the police considers so dangerous they have to pepper spray and arrest the users of