because we have to have justice served. where does this stand and where is it going? >> it's fascinating. it's almost over in this case, in it tea the appeals court is two independent dna experts and it's very important that it is independent. they are saying that the samples were contaminated and that the bra and the knife should probably be thrown out as evidence. so that means that, well, there's nothing linking her to the murder at this point. >> but we've got the prosecution talking about motive. >> yes. >> i mean, how hard is that to disspell from the defense perspective? >> oh, god, well, there is no motive in this case. they are saying that -- >> jealousy? >> they made this strange motive. they actually had three or four different layers of motives that, she was this sexual --