which is what you have. ten workers -- >> i get you. >> okay. that's what you get with that. there's another provision, the $4,000 credit. so that would lower the hurdle for this person from 30k to 26k, but it's only temporary. you know? in a few months that person's back on your pay roll at $30,000. they have to be worth that. of course, this whole thing is supposed to be financed by a permanent increase in your taxes. it's a very iffy deal for owners. what they need is customers. even expensive labor will be hired if there are people that need to be taken care of. >> a report by the u.s. small business administration shows small businesses created 65% of all new jobs in the past 17 years. how is the president's jobs plan being receiveed by employers you've been able to talk to? are they worried about keeping up that 65% rate? >> well, they'd like to hire and create jobs, but, again, they need a reason to. one out of four of them say that weak sales is their top business problem.