i know the editorial page doesn't speak for you or you the editorial page. >> it doesn't. >> but it says today, that the administration's claim to have come up with a $4 trillion in deficit reduction is misleading. mr. obama backed away from some of the entitlement reforms he entertained in his closed door discussions with john boehner. he's taking medicare off the table unless it's matched by tax increases and he's taking social security completely off the table. >> well, yeah. i mean, you know, you have to recognize, boehner has also backed off from a lot of things he agreed to behind closed doors with obama as well. i do think john has a very good point in that this is more of a traditional negotiation where each side states a more maximalist position and maybe they try to reach in the middle. what has happened before is that the president has not stated a maximalist position. his opening position has been,