arizona. he's nervous he can't beat perry in iowa and south carolina. does he have to try? >> i think so. look, it's such an unsettled field at this point. there's a school of thought that says the gop does not want mitt romney to be its nominee which is why they're flocking to perry, inasmuch as there's a conservative wing saying this guy is our guy. romney has to play strong and have a fair showing, i think in the months leading up to florida and arizona. any step, any area where he falls out of favor, any area where he doesn't perform well is bad for his campaign. >> romney is trying to create an anybody but perry movement. >> that's right. perry's moveme >> romney is slid fighting if you don't want perry, i'm your guy. >> three of you, i want you to stick around. we'll talk a little ron suskind