think that romney will be the nominee because there's just too much roughness, too many questions about rick perry. when i interviewed him, our assumption was that he would use the opportunity to try to speak to that audience, mostly an establishment audience and say i have strong views, but i can be a little bit more reserved. he didn't back off at all. he said, socialist administration, social security is a ponzi scheme. he is not going to back off. and in romney world they look at that and say, this is going to be even easierhan we thought. the guy is doubling, tripling down on everything, stylistically, as well. that's the fight. and if rick perry is right about the nature of the republican electorate, that it is a tea party electorate, different than the establishment that's dominated in the past, he will win, even with rhetoric like that. >> quickly democratic governor formerly of michigan, how do you size up this race? >> i think th race is all going to be about obama out there fighting for jobs. and putting this in a global context. our economic competitors globally are out there poaching jobs. we have got to get an active, smart, government. but an active government. not a big government. what he's preparing is to treat