152. so obviously there's a large gap there and we have to be able to lean ourselves down until the economy turns around. otherwise -- >> so it's about the money. >> it's actually about the money. nobody is coming to work for free so we need to be able to do whatever is necessary so that our city survives. i'm not against collective bargaining. what i am, though, is pro reform. if we don't have appropriate reforps in place, then our city won't survive. >> but reforms are about cuts. let's face it. you've just said it's about the money. >> yes, it is. >> once again, these are middle class workers who are going to have to serve it up when the top 2% are getting all the breaks. where's the fairness in that? >> here's the issue for me and my it city. it it's actually a double storm. one is that we attempt to do the concessions and be able to work through that. or the second portion of that storm is that those people that don't want to do that, then the only other thing for a mayor to do in a major city is to lay off