reset themselves towards doing more with fewer people. but until we can get the job market really going again, we are not going to see dow 15,000 any time soon. >> well, we have had encouraging numbers today about the unemployment and of course, tomorrow is the big day when the job numbers come out. do you think that the market's reaction is in anticipation as you said, all built on expectations in anticipation of another bad number? >> you know, i think that you are right. the only surprise can be to the upside, right? i don't think that there can be a downside surprise. we have talked to people who say the whisper number and the number that people are chatting about despite the estimate is for zero jobs to be created because of in part the verizon strike, and you take out 45,000 people right there automatically, so that the only surprise could be of much better than expected number. we have all grown sadly numb, martin, to negative surprises, so it ist no a surprise any more. >> that was brilliantly