expected. i knew we had it within our ranks to do it ourself. that's why we put together pontchartrain park community redevelopment corporation. housing is one thing, then i decided to also do food. >> let me ask you about the comprehensive piece. what we're seeing here, the spirit of the people of new orleans is is the best thing, and yet i think you and i would both say we see these amazing nonprofits, these incredible entrepreneurs, people just doing work on the ground for six years. also often running smack into government another the local, state and federal level. how do we scale the spirit of people to something so that food desert -- your grocery store could be an amazing thing, but how do we make sure there's grocery stores in every corner. >> when i decided to create the food store and put them in the food deserts, where people don't have access to rich greens. the one thing i learned doing pontchartrain park, the interface of government can be tough.